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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:38 am

And my son is never left alone with any of my dogs,no matter how much I trust them.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:35 am

from what ive heard american bulldogs health in general is not very good and a chap i know is on his third am bulldog in 14 years his other 2 died from cancer at 7 years old ,,if i was buying an am bulldog it would be the scott type i would think the scott type would be a healthier dog as its not as heavy and face isnt pushed in as much...ive only seen a couple of amstaffs they would be more trusthworthy around other dogs than apbt,s and are loyal and friendly with humans like the majority of bull breeds..this is not to say i would trust and amstaff unsupervised with another dog and the same as the staffy..i have an old staffy and he would have a go at anything on two legs but absolutly adores any child that comes in2 the house
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:22 am

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If I was worried about human aggression I wouldn't bother with any dog in the first place.Ye seem to think I'm some sort of fool who locks his dogs out the back and feeds them a can of pedigree chum once a day.I have years of experience with Dutch Shepherds  and Mals.Its not through sheer luck I've kept these for years without any incident.I put hours into my dogs every single day and the results show.I'm here looking for opinions about bull breeds such as  theAPBT, the Amstaff and the American bulldog.The only reply I seem to be getting is that they will be aggressive.They won't.I'll make sure of it.
write your list out now for santa if you think you know better than the advice you have been given
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:09 pm

Your best bet in getting an apbt that'll live peacefully with your other pets may be to get an older more mature dog that isn't aggressive with other dogs is what they call cold. Rather than taking the risk on a young pup that could potentially turn out to be more antisocial than what your looking for.

I don't think anybody is trying to say that every pitbull will turn out to be aggressive towards your other dogs but a lot of them do. There are the exceptions to every rule but I noticed that most will let you down eventually.

Poncho your right about one thing though, nobody on here knows you or your experience with dogs, you could be Cesar Millan for all we know but just do your homework on these dogs before making the commitment to getting one cause to many of them end up in pounds for trying to kill the family shephard.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:51 pm

Pacanto, You have come up with one or two what to us are foolish staements. Would you rather we said go ahead you won't have any difficulties the Apbt is just like any other breed?  

You seem to think an Apbt thinks and acts like your Shepherd's & other breed's of dog. And if you raise and train a pup like Shepherds it'll behave in the same way. What you can't seem to accept is that the Apbt has a different mind set yo other dog's and that you think his natural instinct is somehow easy to control by training.

What you have ben told which you seem unwilling to accept is that the Apbt need's to be kept seperate from other dog's when left alone, because if they start to play the Apbt's fighting instinct could very well kick in and dead or injured dog's would be the result. The Apbt's can be raised alongside other breed's successfully (I've had other breeds) but they cannot be kept as part of a normal pack of dog's for the reason's outlined. If your prepared and willing to seperate them when you go out then there's no reason you can't get one, if your not then it's best you don't.

How you keep or feed your dog's I never gave a thought to, i actually assumed you kept them indoor's since you wanted one to be part of your pack & family.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:18 pm

hi pacanto.
every one on here means well, and is only trying to help and advise you.
i kept bull breeds most of my life, and i can tell you that they can click on at the drop of a hat.
its not the best sitauation to be in.
you could have one just laying there, just looking around, then it could just kick off.
not matter how you rare it, you just cant change nature.
they cant help it,.
they take a bit more work and effort than other breeds.
atb, mike
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:30 am

Mike more work and effort aint a problem.My problem is being told they will be aggressive.Dogs are only aggressive if they are allowed to be.And none of me Dutch Shepherds,Mals or German Shepherd huskies were ever allowed to show agression,except when I told them to.I'm with my dogs all day long,I have time and more than enough effort.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:59 am

Go get an apbt so..you seem to be an expert on them...but in 2 years time dont come on here say the famous sentence " I dont know wa happened...he never did it before..I raised him right".... and if you do ill be the first to say I told yo so..

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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:05 am

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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:37 pm

I'll get one Vinny.And make sure she fits right in.Lovely bluenose from Holland being reared for me.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:45 pm

pacanto wrote:
Mike more work and effort aint a problem.My problem is being told they will be aggressive.Dogs are only aggressive if they are allowed to be.And none of me Dutch Shepherds,Mals or German Shepherd huskies were ever allowed to show agression,except when I told them to.I'm with my dogs all day long,I have time and more than enough effort.
hi pacanto.
its not that these type of dogs are aggressive, its just thats what they were bread to. its not aggression, its a natural instinc in them.
no amount of work or effort will change that. that doesnt make them a bad dog at all. imo, its quite the oppisite .
i wish you atb if you get one.
just think why you really want one, with the amount you have already.
atb, mike
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:51 pm

Blue nose from holland? Sound like a bully not an apbt.. new era kennels?

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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:59 pm

mike lydon wrote:
pacanto wrote:
Mike more work and effort aint a problem.My problem is being told they will be aggressive.Dogs are only aggressive if they are allowed to be.And none of me Dutch Shepherds,Mals or German Shepherd huskies were ever allowed to show agression,except when I told them to.I'm with my dogs all day long,I have time and more than enough effort.
hi pacanto.
its not that these type  of dogs are aggressive, its just thats what they were bread to. its not aggression, its a natural instinc in them.
no amount of work or effort will change that. that doesnt make them a bad dog at all. imo, its quite the oppisite .
i wish you atb if you get one.
just think why you really want one, with the amount you have already.
atb, mike
ment to say in the first line. are not ment to be human aggressive.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:48 pm

You know all the kennels in The Netherlands Vinny?
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:56 pm

Are you getting an American bully or an American pitbull terrier? The bully's seem to do very well in pack situations, some friends of mine have them and they all live peacefully with each other.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:20 am

No..but wen people mention blue dogs from holland its always been them bullys...put up pics of the parents of the dog your getting .

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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:30 am

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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:38 am

Not very computer literate Vinny.Check it on Marktplaats and go to dieren.then honden.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:41 am

They aint Bullies Macker.APBTs is what they are.Ye are right though,plenty of Bullies about The Netherlands.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:03 am

i tried looking up what you said brought me to a buy and sell website?most times when some one calls there dogs blue nose or red nose it means there a bully that dont hav any other quailty except for nose colour
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:23 pm

Its a trusted publication.Dogs dont come from farms in Holland.The majority of pups of all breeds come from individual breeders.They advertise what they sell on Markplaats.Its far removed from done deal.People sell Dutch Shepherds and Mals that are of KNPV standard.I've lived in Holland nearly 7 years.One thing they arent is dishonest.If someone has a Bully they sell it as a Bully.If someone has a German Shepherd they sell you a German Shepherd.If they have papers they tell you.If they don't have papers they tell you.
I went and looked at bluenose Staffs today in Cork,advertised on Gumtree I think.
What point are you trying to make?
I'm here looking for advice on certain breeds of dogs,I'm not here to be bitten by keyboard warriors like you.
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:36 pm

Find and talk with people who train both breeds. If you used too live in NL I'm sure you know trainer or two...
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:17 pm

[quote="pacanto"]Its a trusted publication.Dogs dont come from farms in Holland.The majority of pups of all breeds come from individual breeders.They advertise what they sell on Markplaats.Its far removed from done deal.People sell Dutch Shepherds and Mals that are of KNPV standard.I've lived in Holland nearly 7 years.One thing they arent is dishonest.If someone has a Bully they sell it as a Bully.If someone has a German Shepherd they sell you a German Shepherd.If they have papers they tell you.If they don't have papers they tell you.
I went and looked at bluenose Staffs today in Cork,advertised on Gumtree I think.
What point are you trying to make?
I'm here looking for advice on certain breeds of dogs,I'm not here to be bitten by keyboard warriors like you.[/quote]


You'v  been given advice,, that APBT don't get on with other dogs,,, but you'v not taken it,,,, AmStaffs, and Staff Bull terrier, are show / pet version of APBTs... they have more than 80+ years being bred to be more social and can get on with other dogs...  they have a similar apperence...why not get one of them,,?
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:28 am

pacanto wrote:
Its a trusted publication.Dogs dont come from farms in Holland.The majority of pups of all breeds come from individual breeders.They advertise what they sell on Markplaats.Its far removed from done deal.People sell Dutch Shepherds and Mals that are of KNPV standard.I've lived in Holland nearly 7 years.One thing they arent is dishonest.If someone has a Bully they sell it as a Bully.If someone has a German Shepherd they sell you a German Shepherd.If they have papers they tell you.If they don't have papers they tell you.
I went and looked at bluenose Staffs today in Cork,advertised on Gumtree I think.
What point are you trying to make?
I'm here looking for advice on certain breeds of dogs,I'm not here to be bitten by keyboard warriors like you.
if someone has to sell there dogs on a buy and sell site then they don't hav people that lookin for there dogs ask urself y.and your calling me a keyboard warrior I don't come on to gs forums before iv ever owned one thinking I know everything .and telling people who hav numerous apbt that there wrong and your rite.you sound like someone who shouldn't own any working breed with ur attitude.steer clear of the apbt get urself anoder gsd since ur a pro wit them
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PostSubject: Re: newbie   Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:53 pm

Egan,I dont claim to know everything but one thing I do know is proper socialisation and proper training makes any dog of any breed putty in your hands.I can see why most people on this site have APBTs.Its worse than a Schutshund club.Small man syndrome,bar one or two here who know what they are on about.
Hands up who says my dog loves to bite!!?
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